This was an informal interview done at the request of Hawaii Public Radio, which wanted to discuss the extent to which I agree with those who now claim that our engagement policy with the People’s Republic of China was a terrible mistake (interview youtube link).
I think the interviewer, the knowledgeable observer Jay Fidell who had interviewed me years ago, had read my recent memoir essay, “Was Helping China Build Its Post-1978 Legal System a Mistake?”. The program was meant to be on Zoom but technical difficulties turned it into a telephone talk.
